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Russian plasma stealth fighters

Writing by Tolip on Wednesday, 3 of October , 2007 at 2:30 pm

First developed by the Russians, plasma stealth technology is also known as “Active Stealth Technology”. Plasma stealth is a proposed process that uses ionized gas (plasma) to reduce the radar cross section (RCS) of an aircraft. A plasma stream is injected in front of the aircraft covering the entire body of the aircraft and absorbing most of the electromagnetic energy of the radar waves, thus making the aircraft difficult to detect.

There are few experimental studies of plasma’s effect on RCS. One of the most interesting articles was published by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) in 1963 and described the effect of plasma on the RCS of aircraft. The article entitled “Radar cross sections of dielectric or plasma coated conducting spheres and circular cylinders” was based on the data offered by Sputnik, the first artificial satellite launched by the Soviet Union on October 4, 1957.

While trying to track Sputnik it was noticed that its electromagnetic scattering properties were different from what was expected for a conductive sphere. This was due to the satellite traveling inside of a plasma shell.While Sputnik was flying at high velocity through the ionosphere it was surrounded by a naturally-occuring plasma shell and because of it there were two separate radar reflections: the first from the surface of the satellite itself and the second from the plasma shell. If one of the reflections is greater the other one will not contribute much to the overall effect. When the two reflections have the same order of magnitude and are out of phase relative to each other cancellation occurs and the RCS becomes null. The aircraft becomes invisible to radar.

In January 1999, the Russian news agency ITAR-TASS published an interview with Doctor Anatoliy Koroteyev who talked about the plasma stealth device developed by his organization. Doctor Koroteyev was the director of the Keldysh Research Center. There have also been claims that in 2002 the Russians tested a plasma stealth device on board a Su-27 and RCS was reduced by a factor of 100.

The Keldysh Research Center has created a plasma generator that weights no more than 100 kilos, thus making it possible to be fitted on board most tactical aircraft. Current stealth technology uses radar absorbent materials (RAM) and angled surfaces that don’t reflect radar waves back. This constitutes as a main drawback, since an alteration of the airframe has negative effects on the flight characteristics of these aircraft. The third generation stealth technology F-22 Raptor seems however to be an exception since it is both a fast aicraft and very maneuverable.

By using a plasma generator the aerodynamic characteristics of the aircraft do not suffer which in term means that the payload is increased making it more effective. The use of this technology offers the benefit of not having to carry the payload internally to be able to fool enemy radar. The Sukhoi Su-35 and the MiG-35 (both upgrades of Su-27 and MiG-29) are the first to benefit from this technology.

One of the most interesting russian fighters to benefit from the plasma stealth technology is the MiG 1.42/1.44 also known as the MFI (Mnogofunktsionalny Frontovoi Istrebitel – Multifunctional Frontline Fighter). This new aircraft is a fifth generation air-superiority fighter, a rival for the american F-22 Raptor. Both aircraft have the same supercruise capability as well as thrust vectoring for supermaneuverability (a capability to fly at supercritical angles of attack, at increased level of sustained and
available g-loads and high turn-angle rate, which require a greater thrust-to-weight ratio and improved wing aerodynamic efficiency). This aircraft may prove to be a milestone in aviation, as so many russian aircraft were before.

Here are some videos of the MiG 1.42/1.44 and MiG 29 OVT (MiG 35)

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Comment by a_10

Made Monday, 17 of December , 2007 at 4:16 am

you seriously underestimate the russians. They were, they are and they will always remail ahead of western tech. You are so stupid

Comment by HAT1701D

Made Wednesday, 16 of January , 2008 at 12:43 pm

Plasma Stealth…..Let’s take a look at this logically.

FIRST, Plasma is superheated gas, that is what MAKES IT PLASMA. That would make the aircraft in question stand out like a sore thumb on ANYONE’S INFRARED targeting systems.

SECOND, If Plasma Stealth works by NULLING the RADAR signal of incoming/enemy aircraft…well here in lies the paradox. If the Plasma Stealth equipped bird trys using RADAR…his outgoing signal will be drastically reduced. What is left will hit the target..bounce back and be even FURTHER REDUCED TO NOTHING coming back through the field….making any of his targets invisible. So if he is going against an F-22 or F-35 which are already Stealth….well, he just made them even more Stealth. Plasma Stealth would be a hindrance to the user more than a help.

Comment by maharba

Made Friday, 28 of March , 2008 at 9:25 pm

Red stars always win, did you knew that the stealth theory was developed by a Russian and America based his stealth planes on that tecnology, the name of this person is Pyotr Ufimtsev and did you knew that the Russians valued that this isn’t good for a plane because it’s looked by a radar at low frequency, remember yugoslavia and the f-117??

Something else, did you knew that the F-35 has the technology of the yak-141 a plane from the 80′s? and they show you that as the most amazing and new technology. America has not enough cientistics to make what the russians make have you seen the Topol-M? In the west it was considered impossible in ballistics. Bye to the DAM.

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Made Thursday, 3 of April , 2008 at 10:27 am

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Comment by G

Made Monday, 2 of June , 2008 at 1:59 am

Maharba…Yugoslavia shot down ONE F-117, ONE! NATO flew in and out of Yugoslavia using the same route every time! Considering how many thousands of sorties were flown, shooting down one stealth aircraft is pathetic.
Great looking plane above, but thrust vectoring was first demonstrated with the X-35 at the Paris Air Show years ago. More evidence of Russia checking out the US’s tech and copying it. That MiG looks like a cross between an F-16 and F-18. Smart idea when you think about it since they don’t have an abundance of money. Hell, even Putin was saying if they are lucky and smart, they MIGHT have the 6th best economy in the world down the road.

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Comment by Syed Suhail Khalid

Made Friday, 6 of June , 2008 at 8:34 am

To,
HAT1701D

The passive seeking radars of MIG 35,Sukhoi 35 and Sukhoi MK1 enable the pilot to see the targets clearly because the functioning of the plasma device doesn’t interfere with the cross section of the plane’s radar.

(Plasma is not super heated gas.We all have plasma.If it were to be super heated,we would have melted.No life would have existed).

Plus the system draws in cool air and cools it further to spread a cool film of air around the body of the aircraft.So the plane is difficult to be sighted anyway.This naturally makes the plane’s radar more receptive and powerful.In other words,this plasma stealth system doesn’t make the enemy more invisible and doesn’t make the aircraft that uses plasma stealth more exposed.In this case the enemy stands exposed like a black sheep amidst a herd of white sheep.

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Comment by passerby

Made Thursday, 31 of July , 2008 at 2:49 am

To: Syed Suhail Khalid

There are different meanings to the word plasma. One of them is the one you talked about, liquid substance inside us (like blood plasma, cytoplasm, etc). Plasma discussed here is the ionized gas. They just happened to have the same name.

To: HAT1701D

While true that one way to create Plasma is by heating, Plasma is not always very hot, since there’s even ultracold plasma on temperature of 1mK or lower. Well, fluorescent light generates plasma and they’re not that hot I think – though touching them is still too hot for my hand I suppose.

Comment by Krasimir

Made Wednesday, 13 of August , 2008 at 8:57 pm

As a matter of fact the russians don’t need the Stealth. As in the war on the Balkans US stealth fighter F-117 was intercepted and hit by a 1960-1980 weapon system the radar used to track the “Invisible” plane was a 30 year old The Russian 1R13 radar system.
So what need of a Stealth super secret material and design when you will go down by a “Stick”…

Comment by primo

Made Saturday, 30 of August , 2008 at 3:52 pm

i believe that the russians is the most powerfull country as ever.russia is always ahead in terms of military technoly than the US.they attact their enemy without the help of its allies that the american always do.

Comment by Random Guy

Made Monday, 1 of September , 2008 at 6:09 pm

“Krasimir” the radar on that missile didn’t see the plane it was a blind shot. Read G’s post, “NATO flew in and out of Yugoslavia using the same route every time!” If you know where they will be and when they will be there you don’t need a tracking device to get them.

Anyway, I just wonder what happens when plasma goes into the jet engine. Most plasmas are hot and all plasmas are ionized (not blood plasma that’s a different meaning of the word) and I’m sure that would affect a lot of things.

Regardless, what happens in a cross wind? Does the cross wind blow away your plasma radar shield? Does the jet have a giant electromagnetic field (read: easily detected) surrounding it to keep the plasma next to the airframe?

The more I think about it, the more ridiculous this all sounds. Silly propaganda :\

Comment by USpatriot

Made Friday, 19 of September , 2008 at 3:31 pm

Well number one: Mr Ufimtsev is the guy behind current US stealth technology. He published a book back in 1960′s regarding this subject, and that was actually a physics text book. Soviets never went on using that technology since it was too expencive and very unreliable. So please do a search on stealth and Ufimtsev,it was also featured on history channel, as for proofs please note several f-117 that were shut down in Ugoslavia.

Second of all: American engeeneers that have to deal with stealth technology have Ufimtsev as their Idol, and indeed they had a chance to meet him personally in 1990′s but to their dismay he layed out a simple solution to his own alogarithm that is used today in american stealth fighters, this method renders the whole technology absolete. Again coming back to reason why Soviets never applied this technology. Russian aircraft and air defence systems have been using counter technology to detect stealth as soon as Americans built 1st stealth aircraft. Look at production date of Mig-31 it was designed to intersept SR-71 and still is the fastest and highest flying plane.

As for plazma technology please refer to Janes (publishing leader on war technology and news, also most up to date database on military subject) According to Janes….. back in 1980′s several American aircraft carriers were overflown by TU-95 Bear (and that is a big bomber)that were not detected until they came in to visual range. Also later several fighter jets were flying over US navy vessels and again were not detected until seen. This caused a lot of stress on people in pentagon and a lot of pople were fired. Later it was published again by Janes that conclusing was that Russians did implement plazma technology on their bombers and fighter jets. This information was never made public but is available in reliable military publishings.

I hope i made it clear what is what. Yeh take a look at 1997 issue of newsweek and time magazine. There is 2 page article about F-22 raptor and right after that white on black 4 page article about Su-27. That would clear up soem issues about American stealth and brute Russian approach to things.

Comment by USpatriot

Made Friday, 19 of September , 2008 at 4:25 pm

Besides please note that F-22 entered production 5 years after Sukhoi entered service. F-22 is equiped with russian ejection seats, and it’s thrust vectoring is limited only to vertical vectoring where mig-29, mig-35 and su-30 su-32 su-35 su-37 have ability to vector in any direction.

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Comment by sURe

Made Tuesday, 30 of September , 2008 at 8:39 am

Dude the F-22 has the engines copied from the russian jet fighters and they only started using them now but in Russia they have perfected them

the maneuverability only can go up and down left or right on the F-22 both sides of the back of the engine at once while on the Russian fighters including MiG-MFI they can flip one side up and the other down making it much more maneuverable and easier to do barrel rolls and with the plasma stealth technology on board that fighter, that becomes one hell of a fighter with cosmic speeds making it able to fly around the world in a couple minutes that’s right minutes not hours

Comment by Ebenezer

Made Thursday, 20 of November , 2008 at 10:36 pm

all this while i thought the USA were far ahead of Russia, in terms of jet technology. reading these comments, i am convinced that in good economic times Russia can do more than the USA. Russia can partner a rich countries like China to create jet planes which can rival or overtake the F-22 or the Euro Fighter.
Question: are the Russian stealth planes in use or under construction?

Comment by saintkatanalegacy

Made Wednesday, 10 of December , 2008 at 4:56 pm

as of now, they are still in the development stage or so they claim. you might not know whether they already have it. besides, deception is a key to any war as the art of war states. as a forecast, i would say that fighters or strike aircrafts may even push further to the ionosphere to be even more effective in evading detection.

Comment by Nosferatu

Made Tuesday, 16 of December , 2008 at 12:51 am

You guys are talking way too much on things you have only heard about.The Russians didn’t develop any stealth fighter yet because they have seen its disadvantages in development costs, maintainability, price, etc. already at the American aircrafts.Me if I was an expert in such a domain I would rather develop new generation radars than stealth airframes.Besides the plasma stealth I’ve heard rumors that the Russians are considering a new type of radar capable to detect an aircraft by the turbulence it creates or the broken natural airflows by the hot jet exhaust, so radars are evolving as well, not only the airframes, I don’t know if the Americans did consider this before stating that “the F-22 can’t be matched by any known or projected plane”.Regards

Comment by B

Made Friday, 19 of December , 2008 at 8:37 am

WTF man im from Macedonia which was part from Yugoslavia,what kind of an idiot you have to be to think that someone will shoot a missile in an empty space,hoping it will make the shot at the right time so that you can shoot down a stealth aircraft.Its like shooting a sniper rifle and youve been LEGALY BLIND! trough out your whole life.So please RANDOM GUY dont make such a stupid comments,please for fuck sake.To make long story short the F117 actually showed on te radar,how i dont know? but it did so they stick an old ground to air missile up his butt,try to flew the mighty Raptor F22 trough a field that is surrounded with the newest Russian radars and SAM’s.If USA would have to invade,or bring peace,whatever you guys call it just to justife your cause for going into war,and that country surpose to be a 3rd world country equiped with the most advanced Russian Radars and SAM’s,I’ll guarantee you that USA will chicken out!you dont get iven near close to that place and not being shot down,so tuff luck.
Another thing do you think that russians will come out with what they claim Plasma stealth 5th gen fighters claiming that it will challenge the USA’s 5th gen fighters or surpass and after so many claims and finally signing a deal to produce them with other partners they will FAIL ON THE END?
Failing means losing bussines for good do you think that thats what the Russian scientist were doing while working on the plasma stealth?
Yes they were eating MCDonalds instead of doing their job,this bashing bullshit over the russians its incredible,but when they bring the punc it will be powerfull I guarantee you that.The only time Russian jets were shot down by USA jets was during middle east war back in the 80′s and in kosovo,not iven one mig 21 or 29 was properly functional due to the goverment not having funds to maintain them.The MIG 29 serbian pilot that got shot down by an Swedish F15 or F16 not sure which one he flew knowing his mig has no functional radar,it means he flew blind knowing he will die,he did that so that as a captain he didnt want to send younger kid to die!!!!
India vs USA friendly dog fight that was held in India,blue force F-15 vs red force Su-30 and Mig-21,USA lost by India 10:1.Lets see what the Russians come up with,and no need for waithing they will surprise the world again.

Comment by Janos

Made Thursday, 1 of January , 2009 at 11:22 pm

Friends,

1. The story of F-117 in Yugoslavia is secret one on both sides, because the local commander of the small air defence unit was an ethnic Hungarian engineer(difficult fact to swallow for the Serbs). However the guy has made a large interview in Hungary. Needless to say, it was not a blind shot, he organized an all-day disciplined and well prepared radaring in his small local unit using their outdated but reliable Russian stuff. Suddenly they discovered the Amies and they immediately shot them off. So simple is it. In the third word however (Iraq, Syria, Iran)local commanders are simply undereducated and passive to organize such a high-level 24 hours service. (The guy told later that he considered the detection of F-117 a professional challenge :-) soundz pretty European.

2. The Chinese took the F-117 to their Belgrade embassy for research (thats why it was bombed by US). Anyway, now China has the technology and the new materials to build its own (perfected) F-117. They don’t rush with this project.

3. The reason why China is not mass-producing aircraft carriers and stealth bombers, is that there is a long-lasting and bitter debate about their use in the highest mlitary command. Late 2008 a Russian SU-bomber (equipped with cutting edge “plasma technology”) flew over a US aircraft carrier in the Pacific (ask Google), practically showing that aircraft carriers are swimming coffins nowadays.

4. I am from a free and reasonaly rich European country previously occupied by the Soviets. We don’t have any nostalgy of the past, but one has to admit that the quality of Russian basic research is vry high indeed. The actual development (military or civil) is the weak point. Now lets see what Putin can finance for its army (falling oil prices) and what Obama can give to the Pentagon (economic meltdown)…..China…well…they seem to be the winners of the game, in the short term at least.

5. Finally, technology is not everything. When US faced first world nations (for instance, poor communist countries like China, Vietnam, Korea with proper mass education, industry and basic infrastructure) the army was defeated. Whenever USArmy meets third world nations (rich oil countries without mass education, industry and proper civil infrastructure), the green necks win the war. Educated, disciplined people with high moral are victorious against the finest technology.

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Comment by jimo

Made Sunday, 22 of February , 2009 at 5:47 am

Krasimir: F117 stealth is also of 1960′s/70′s technologies. Loosing one during thousands of successfull missions would be considered extremely high even using your math. Anti gravity machines used since WWII leaves even the F22/35 obsolete, before they even began 15-20 years ago. These advance technologies are only cover for the much larger pictures. Wake up.

Comment by Dura Lex

Made Thursday, 26 of February , 2009 at 9:22 pm

@Janos
Where did you get some of your “facts”? You’re totally wrong about your aircraft carrier claim. A Tu-95 indeed flew over an US aircraft carrier (the Nimitz) in international waters but the Tu was equipped with no plasma stealth tech; it showed up on the Radars and was escorted by F/A-18 jets during his flight over the Nimitz

@B
you forgot to mention that unlike the “red force” (Su / Migs), the F-15s had no AWACS on their side which is quite a big drawback, don’t you think so? :)

Comment by nashingun

Made Wednesday, 25 of March , 2009 at 4:56 pm

russian plasma theory isnt a realistic one for fighters or fast planes. as i have red on other sites the hot plasma will leave a high heat signature, so the only option is the cold plasma. the drawback on the cold plasma tho is it cant stand long on supersonic speed unless it goes on high altitude flights or subsonic speed on low altitude flights like the bombers.

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Comment by Rixy

Made Wednesday, 6 of May , 2009 at 3:30 pm

To:Dura Lex

You are the person that is wrong sir, I am Australian, and even I have heard that a plasma stealthed aircraft overflew an American Carrier without being detected, and as for the F-117 story It was my understanding as that it was spam AA fire that brought it down, not for the fact it was targeted, regardless the F-117 is not invisible to radar as most would seem to believe, it fluctuates in and out of radar scanners…

Btw, One shot down F-117 which cost a billion dollars compared to Yugoslavias smashed infrastructure military and economic parties… I’m pretty sure that was a very good effort on behalf of the United States.

Comment by Chiz Whiz

Made Sunday, 24 of May , 2009 at 9:33 am

All new tech seems like science fiction when it is firs released. Plasma stealth is just emerging. By the way it is not temperature that gives plasma its properties althought super heating gas is how plasma was discovered. Saying that American stealth planes are the best means that you are buying into capitalist propaganda (communists arn’t the only people who use propoganda). btw forgive my shpelling I am writing this on my iPod. The USA has had its time in the sun and while the sun sets in one country it rises in another, possibly several others. Before anybody calls me a communist, I’m not. i’m a socialist. If you say that they are the same thing then you are a blind Republican pig. Using that logic capitalism is the same as Facism.

Comment by Zoran

Made Wednesday, 17 of June , 2009 at 4:20 pm

I am from serbia and I am reading here a lot of bull… I can tell you that!
Can anyone tell me how many planes American lost during bombing of Serbia?Except F-117?

Comment by januz

Made Saturday, 20 of June , 2009 at 5:28 pm

one stealth plane shot down compared to a destroyed country?i guess america won this one again..

Comment by John

Made Sunday, 28 of June , 2009 at 9:03 pm

under the present and previous administration in the USA…they keep cutting back and their techonlogy is way too old..might be rich as a superpower..to me is about 35 year behind the Russians

Comment by Andrev

Made Saturday, 8 of August , 2009 at 1:55 am

Russian military technology we all know is mighty, but to launch an offancive to another country the us is probaly best, Russia operate currently 1 carrier, and probaly dosnt need anymore than 2, planned to be build.
One also have to consider that Russia does not currently operate an 5′th gen. fighter. and the us has manny, as for the stealth technology, it can always be detected, a stealth plane is not invinsible, The B2 has been detected manny times by passive radars on low to medium hight flights.
But then again in flight of a mission things will be diffrent.
As for the F-117 it was shot down by an old Russian modyfied 1963 S-125 Neva, Pechora system.
For the plasma stealth, it is problematic to this date, to create a shield for an intire airframe needs lots of power, and would not be adviceble when it comes to IR.
Russian aircrafts Mig-29smt and Su-35 operates or tested a small plasma generator to its front and back radar, these is syncronized to the radars change of ms. so it wont bend your own radar signals. Due to newer projects as SU-35BM or comming PAK-FA I do not currently hold any information, but it is discussed widely on the internet.
It would come to me as a suprice if Russians acualy inplented plasma stealth to a TU-95 or an TU-160.
Also reminder that the time of intercept of US aircarriers and ect. Its not during high alert, and Russia and US is not at war. Its like a game, and exerzise for Russian pilots. if at high alert an TU-95 / TU-160 dosnt need to fly close to an carrier to shoot it down, i bet both sided took out theyr cameras and took pictures, i know the Russian pilots did.

Manny greate technology invented by Soviet/Russia has after the Soviet fall come to an suprice and wonder to the americans. like RD-170 engines, mind controll, just to mention a few.
In US everything coasts alot to create, but Russians everything is cheaper to design, but for every event or technology invented by US, Russia always found a way around and got theyr things to work.
I think the cold war is over and both sides sould not go backwards like US inplenting ABM systems near Russias boarder. It only result in a buldup of nuclear rearmament like Topol-M. And breaking up the neutral/good relationship with both sides.

As for Russian technology its currently flowering, since Puting took over everything is better and the military budget has raised with ower 60 %. Russia now exports to varius of countrys establing good relationship and respect around the world.

Comment by mwr1973

Made Wednesday, 9 of September , 2009 at 6:15 am

I have my doubts about this plasma system for the simple reason, If Russia had a device that could hide any airplane then why are they designing their new aircraft to resemble the U.S. stealth aircraft? I have seen images of the new Russian fighter and it looks alot like an F-22. Everyone knows that U.S. stealth planes require computers to just keep them in the air so why would you use the design if you could just “mask” a SU-37?

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Comment by Jimo

Made Wednesday, 21 of October , 2009 at 5:16 am

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Comment by Steven Killeen

Made Thursday, 10 of December , 2009 at 12:52 am

I am constantly amazed at you American dudes.You try to argue scientific principles and lose your audience(and your arguments) by your shocking spelling and your poor grammar.You are not technicians,scientists or engineers.Those guys know how to spell. You reveal yourselves as toothless redneck dirt farmers who occasionally leaf through a back issue of popular mechanics in the dentist’s waiting room whilst suffering from inflamed gums. Russia is now, and has for most of last century been a super-power and to its great credit is blessed with the ability to think differently to us in the west.Throughout the so called cold war they would constantly delight your western allies(that’s your NATO partners, Canada, England,Australia,South Africa and all the other countries that stand by you politically in the world arena and despise you in private.The U.S.was in awe of the humble T.34,but was gob-smacked by the soviet I.S.3 tanks of the Soviets.It took you an Embarrassingly long time to make a match for it. Your allies laughed at you. When you entered the Korean war you were once again shocked to encounter Jets from the Soviets.Then you found out that they had jets before you did.I mean even us Australians had been flying jets during ww2.in some English squadrons.Once again we laughed behind your back.Then Sputnik, we laughed. Then Laika, we laughed. Then Gagarin, then Treshkova. So you decide to go to the moon. But at the time your rockets kept crashing. The whole world laughed so loud we could no longer hide it.As we know the Russians had no intention of going to the moon, although they could have,at any time before you.You bored the world silly with your attempts to make an S.S.T. Concordski lands at Farnborough for an air show. The whole world laughed. You did not have a working plan for S.S.T. despite the billions spent.The list just goes on and on (reactive armour,Hind,AK.47, MiG.25 fox-bat)Astounding achievements that have rocked the world,changed it for the better as it turned out,and I have no doubt the Russians will continue to do this ad-infinitum, because they are remarkable and original thinkers,and up with modern times,whilst you guys on this page are still mired in 1950′s paranoia and conservatism.I,for one and I am not alone in this can’t wait for the Literature the is Going to come from Russia,and the music and art.Just like it did for centuries before Stalin and Beria.And you guys from the former eastern bloc,start expecting support from unexpected places, because the world does find America and Americans tiresome. the cold war is over,Science and good engineering is not.A little footnote to the U.S. If we had not committed so many billions of dollars into R and D on the joint strike fighter, we would seriously be buying Russian fighters.any fool can see they have superior handling .Australia might still, if the Americans do to us again what they did with the F-111′s in the sixties. The Canadians might join us as well. Take heed

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Made Monday, 14 of December , 2009 at 11:31 pm

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Comment by Bill

Made Sunday, 27 of December , 2009 at 4:53 am

Steven,

You might want to do some basic research before you start saying things like the Soviets had no plans on going to the moon. They certainly did have plans which is why they developed the N1 rocket. Which I might add, also failed several times. The American’s Saturn V rocket never failed a single time. The Russins declassified a bunch of information on their moon program in the 1990s.

Also, the Americans were flying jets in WWII, look at the introduction of the P-80 in 1945. It was simply too early for any country to actually get them into combat. (Even the English didn’t get their aircraft in combat except against the V-1 Buzzbombs because of the limited range of the jets at that time.)

As for Korea, yes, the US was suprised by their introduction of the Mig-15. However, the Americans already had the P-80 and F-84 flying in Korea at that time. The Mig-15 forced them to bring in the F-86 as well. One other thing, the Soviets didn’t fly their first jet powered aircraft until 1946… four years AFTER the Americans flew the P-59 Airacomet and two years after the P-80 went into service.

Also, what are you trying to say about the SST? The Concordski Tu-144 actually crashed in Farnborough, if you review your history! The British/French built the Concorde which flew for decades. The Americans stopped development of their program when they actually did the math and realized that they couldn’t make money flying it. The British/French governments funded all the Concordes, which never made enough money to cover their costs. The Soviets did develop their Tu-144 and actually few it in service, but it was for a very short time. Obviously, they never made any money on it either.

I could go on and on, but it doesn’t matter, both sides produced amazing technologies to counter each other and we all live in a world that benefits from it.

Bill

Comment by Loko

Made Tuesday, 29 of December , 2009 at 8:13 pm

You guys! The reason why the yanks lost against India during the exercise is because they have to lose. They do not want further advancement by any other nations so that they keep their edge. Also that is the reason why they cannot show any of the black program or share “black” technologies with any other nations including allies of the US. Also they would rather make people think that the Russians are ahead because it is like a sucker punch to the face on the Russians. Yeah believe that the Russians have an edge because that’s exactly what happened in the Korean war. Lots of Russian planes were shot down. West means for every plane shot down, 10 Russian planes will go down. One other thing it’s good economics for the fat dicks in the US defence industry because paranoia in the public eye means more money funded for them. Also you pricks talk about Aussies not being able to put out fires.. that’s low. You yanks also have the same problem. As for a single F117 being shot down.. Come on! That’s just one! How stupid are you guys?? Anyways the Russians are starting to change their ways from their very dark past but we will always keep tabs on what they do as we do not want a repeat of what happened. The yanks on the other hand also have a very dark past that also the world knows about. Anyways all the money that were spent on military use could have saved the whole planet from being hurt as it is today. Russia and allies plus US and allies are all guilty as hell. If you want to live longer and see your children grow up properly then stop all wars and stop the development of any military weapons. Unlikely? If we can build it, we can also dismantal it. Peace to you all! You all bleed red blood and all have the ability to love. Why couldn’t we just make a plasma love machine or stealth love plane? How about a love carrier? Love missile? Anti kill tank, kiss bullet, hug gas?? Haha

Comment by AL-bob

Made Wednesday, 6 of January , 2010 at 5:55 am

OooooWaaa… lot of stupid on here. Soviet Union broke up because it was a bad idea. They lost the race to the moon because they couldn’t develop the heavy lift/guidance technology quickly enough, to go half baked, bad idea. Sure, they had their moments, T34 greatest tank ever, all factors considered. Russian avionics are highly developed, they build the most agile fighters known to man, but its a dead end. Air combat has changed. Myth- Russian radar can “see” stealth. Bullshit. If that were the case, dozens of F117′s would be in pieces, there were 40-60 units operating of the type that hit the ONE lost F117, most likely because the lazy pilot opened his bomb bay door to early. Plasma is the forth state of matter, so for the idiots:
“Plasma consists of a collection of free moving electrons and ions – atoms that have lost electrons. Energy is needed to strip electrons from atoms to make plasma. The energy can be of various origins: thermal, electrical, or light (ultraviolet light or intense visible light from a laser). With insufficient sustaining power, plasmas recombine into neutral gas.” There… one must continuously supply the energy to maintain plasma, and unfortunately, ALL these forms of energy are READILY detectable…end of story. Anyone foolish enough to field a plasma stealth fighter will soon discover why it was never done before. Bad idea. Doesn’t matter…U.S. Stealth is merely a stepping stone. If you aren’t actively working on a stealth unmanned combat drone, you are already dead. They will be passive, and they will kill any emitting radar as soon as it turns on.

Comment by AL-bob

Made Wednesday, 6 of January , 2010 at 6:19 am

So much hype- so little science. Topol M, Russians are far ahead on solid rocket motor technology, but a defense evading warhead is over-stating the case. Yes, the warhead can change course after seperation, this defeats early, trajectory-predicting terminal phase ABM technology, but NOT current powered and guided interceptors. They’ve built a missile to defeat our best no longer used 20 year old never fielded technology. Woopee. As for laser proof? Prove it. Current chemical heavy lasers put 155-250 calories/mm2, generating 10k deg enough to melt titanium. That warhead would pretty much need to be solid to withstand more than a few seconds worth, and the supersonic melted blowoff would drastically alter the flightpath (this has been studied and tested, unlike the Topol M’s vaunted laser proof label), while absorbed heat would likely fuse the electronics or the nuclear detonator. Decoys however, are still a problem.

Comment by AL-bob

Made Wednesday, 6 of January , 2010 at 6:30 am

SST’s weren’t developed because…SUPRISE! Bad idea. B58 hustler and B70 Valkrie gave us all the flight test data we needed. And how many SST’s are flying today? My oh my why aren’t all the world’s airlines full of them? That’s right…bad idea. As for overflights of U.S. carriers…happens all the time…hell I could rent a crop-duster and do it myself! What do you think? Anyone gets shot down flying within 10 miles? Now that’s a true mark of an unrepentant moron. Now I’ll patiently await the bashing from PUTIN-POSSIE members and wanna-be’s. Sometimes its fun reading the responces searching for signs of intelligence.

Comment by Arm Chair Physicist

Made Tuesday, 19 of January , 2010 at 4:52 am

1) Book: “Skunk Works” – The Russians were the first country to develop the concept of radar cross section circa the 1960s. The USA actually stole this information and Lockheed used it to develop the F-111a Stealth Fighter, which is why it’s airframe is at crazy angles.

2) Plasma can be developed in a “cold” fashion using high voltage, namely direct current high voltage. If any other means of high voltage were used, they’d be visible in their aircraft. The concept of injecting the plasma ahead of the craft is inane, it is actually more likely that they project a steady beam of static voltage ahead of the craft which ionizes the air. At high altitudes, they likely use some kind of on-board supply of noble gas (so it doesn’t corrode the body of the aircraft).

3) Plasma can be used for propulsion. While it’s very “cute” that they intend on using fuel guzzling fighters that have a retrofit (very cost effective), they haven’t at least publicized any use of their plasma equipment in direct propulsion:
a) it can be used to decrease turbulence by manipulating
airflow, and null out a sonic boom (added stealth and fuel efficiency).
b) it can electrostatically cool the exhaust by influencing
air flow (someone above already mentioned this).

But, most importantly, c) it can provide a direct means of propulsion through the ion wind effect, and some anomalous effects not fully explained by contemporary science. A solid, high k dielectric constant material will cause sinusoidal physical motion in a vacuum when stressed with a direct current high voltage field in a sandwich of asymmetrical capacitor plates. NASA has tested this in high vacuum, google it. The only two issues are

i) eliminating the sinusoidal movement and making it unidirectional (I believe this is a voltage waveform/stimulus time conundrum and materials problem only – one easily solved as well).

ii) finding a power supply light enough for such an air/spacecraft to power this kind of system.

It is highly likely that both the Russian and US military programs that developed the active stealth and stealth bomber, respectively, already know point 3c in the preceding paragraph and have such air/spacecraft in development. Stealth is old old news, and active stealth isn’t very advanced given the state of the art of cold plasma research in other areas, like propulsion. I would love to see what’s on the drawing board at Boeing or Lockheed these days, not what they developed almost 50 years ago now. Same with Russia. Too bad they’re too scared of the Chinese to let us know what’s cookin’! I bet it’s truly amazing.

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Comment by Robbie

Made Saturday, 30 of January , 2010 at 3:17 pm

Theres a lot of factual errors in the above partisan rantings.

1, Stealth was initially developed in Soviet Union but was openly published in scientific journals in the russian language (albeit obscure academic publications) and it was western scientists who turned that research into a working stealth aircraft. It needed advanced computer support to do so in the 60s and 70s which didnt exist in the USSR at the time.

2, Maharba says Something else, “did you knew that the F-35 has the technology of the yak-141 a plane from the 80’s?”. Well, old chap, if you knew anything about aviation you might have heard of the Hawker Harrier, from the 60′s, of which the Yak 141 was a direct (and very unsuccessful) rip-off.

3, Bill says “Even the English didn’t get their aircraft in combat except against the V-1 Buzzbombs because of the limited range of the jets at that time”. Well, no… we didnt want these (still experimental)service Meteors going too far over the continent in case we lost one and gifted the tech to any other country. Plus, they werent very agile, so still in their early stages.
Having developed the technology (the Germans did it independently), the British effectively handed all the tech over to our allies in the US and they developed the engines. The result was the P-59. The first jet vs jet engagement being a P-80 vs a Mig 15 in Korea in 1950. The Mig being powered by a copy of the RR Nene engine.

4, Stealth. Come on guys, think about this. Stealth is a radar cross section REDUCTION technology, its not magic invisibilty. You lot have been watching way too much Star Trek. The single F117 shot down shows its not magic…but only one aircraft downed after all those F117 missions?? I think that proves the technology is good enough eh?
The physics of the F117 mean that from some angles at least, radar will get a tiny reflection of something, be it the edge of a cockpit window or an open bomb bay door. But even 1970′s tech is pretty good, just imagine what they’ve got under wraps now!!

Comment by Susigaran ,Tamil Nadu

Made Tuesday, 2 of February , 2010 at 2:10 pm

Beloved Russia,

First of all Hats off to you for the latest technology in Air Supremacy.damn with America they dont have proper brain resource to make their own.They either kidnap scientist from Germany or rest Jewish brain.Continue to have a wonderful and eternal friendship with India as we vlue your realtionship.

Keep up the good work in science and technology.

Long Live India ,Long Live Russia
BRAHMOS bearing the witness of India and Russian friendship.

Love you Russia

Susigaran ,Tamil Nadu ,INDIA

Comment by Susigaran ,Tamil Nadu

Made Tuesday, 2 of February , 2010 at 2:12 pm

LONG LIVE RUSSIA ,LONG LIVE INDIA

Love From People of India`

susigaran
Tamil nadu
INDIA

Comment by airtime

Made Wednesday, 3 of February , 2010 at 6:44 am

how much humanitarian aid has russia or china or india or austrailia passed out? china left the hatians 1 million in aid. the usa gave over 100 million, plus another 70 plus million in money raised by it’s citizens, plus all the military equipment being used to get it there. where is everybody else? yeah, usa the war mongronals. everybody laughs at the usa behind our backs. what a joke. we are having to reinforce our borders to keep people out. i don’t see people moving to russia or china. they are having to force people to stay. china won’t even let it’s citizens browse the internet without sensoring it.

Comment by airtime

Made Wednesday, 3 of February , 2010 at 7:07 am

russian 5th gen fighter flew for 47 minutes. whew, nice, amazing. what is sad is they are going to sell these plans to thier biggest military purchaser, india. china, iran, syria will be lining up to buy this marvel of science in when it comes to market in what? 5 to 7 years. the f-22 has been in service since 1997. yeah, the usa is way behind on technology. good luck with your russian technology.

Comment by Gorky Stannislav

Made Friday, 5 of February , 2010 at 12:19 pm

Every one looks at the plane and its capabilities.
I look at the pilot and am amazed.
The Russians are notorious for having extraordinary pilots.
In every war they have participated they have excelled.

Fear not the machine but the skill behind it. Behind the outstanding aircraft Russian technology there are truly remarkable pilots.

God bless the American pilots. And they will need truly that blessing because the Russian bear has mighty claws.

Comment by Denis Jaisson

Made Sunday, 7 of February , 2010 at 4:33 pm

The author of this article is incompetent. He first writes that the plasma absorbs the wave from the radar, then he writes that the plasma causes a secondary reflection.

Comment by Gabe

Made Tuesday, 2 of March , 2010 at 2:25 am

Too many trolls here.
But to address the latest, airtime.
1) The F-22 has been in service since 2005, not 1997.
2) The F-22 still suffers from many mechanical, structural, and electronic flaws so that it is still in a “debugging” phase. The plane is not combat-ready, or else you would see it all over international US AFBs and participating in combat missions. The plane’s acquisition and maintenance costs are through the roof. It cannot stay in the air for more than a bit less than 2 hours. At the moment, it’s just one huge boondoggle used for little more than USAF and military PR.

Let’s wait until the F-22 is combat-ready before we start trolling Russians for a plane that probably won’t suffer the infinite problems the F-22 still has.

F-117A:
According to the Serbs (then Yugoslavia), 2 F-117s were shot down, one heavily damaged (and most likely scrapped). Even when the first one was shot down, the Pentagon denied it. It wasn’t until the Yugoslavians made a whole documentary about it that the US military accepted it. However, once you shot down one, why the need to publicize others? In fact, we lie about all aircraft losses. We only claim 4 aircraft losses, upon dozens and dozens we may have truly lost. Serb numbers are upwards of 70. We even lost planes due to Serbian raids on NATO air bases, and also in air-to-air combat.
So why the lies? It’s a part of military operational security. The US military denies equipment losses, even casualties. And of course any dead soldier that wasn’t KIA, but was wounded or became sick in the field and died later on, is not listed as a casualty. In COIN operations (like GWOT), most deaths will come from wounds after having been taken out of the combat scenario. God knows, we could have at least 1.5 times more casualties if WIAs who died even hours or days after being wounded were counted in. Additionally, when a country that makes itself to be God on the world stage is failing against a country of less than 10 million people with ancient weapon systems, it is a huge embarrassment. When we realized we couldn’t defeat the Yugoslavians, we started attacking civilian targets. Big macho US military attacking civilians now because they’re getting beat by tiny Serbia. Oh God help humanity.
On the other side of the coin, Russian operational security regarding equipment is hiding the actual numbers. No one knows how many T-90s or Su-34s have been constructed or are in service.

Just my 2 cents.

Comment by Gabe

Made Tuesday, 2 of March , 2010 at 2:32 am

Another note for the ignoramuses on here:
The first F-117 was shot down 3 days into combat. It wasn’t as if F-117s had flown 238049238049 sorties already, in fact, they flew comparatively flew out of the ~30,000 total. Very few. And in only the first few days, we can’t expect there to have been that many at all. Also, any bomber / fighter-bomber aircraft was supported by EWF aircraft, like the Prowler. Meaning that the F-117 REALLY failed against ancient radar and SAM systems used by the Yugoslavians. Stealth was no problem for them, let’s consider the Russians with undoubtedly the finest air defense systems in the world. It would be a duckhunt like no other.
Oh, the PAC-3, one may say? That was based upon the S-300V developed in the 1960s if you don’t know that. One was taken from a former Warsaw Pact country (it was probably an export version, to be further precise), examined and tested, and used to develop the PAC-3. So basically, the PAC-3 is a SAM system on a level with Soviet ones in the late 60s / early 70s.

Comment by JIMO

Made Monday, 8 of March , 2010 at 12:49 am

Who gives a damn about the developments of solid rocket motor tech. For what the cost it takes to deliver a pound of payload to space is it not time to blast ahead of this old out dated delivery system? Send science searching for a less expensive, dangerous, reliable technology, over a leading edge tech. We have gone as far as we are going to go on rockets, & tax dollars supporting it. It is kind of like an internal combustioned engine, time to leap ahead. Read hunt for zero point as I keep rambling on about, & watch your skies. Be proud of man, not some self esteem blowing alien bullshit. The Russians see them all the time because we are there.

Comment by SatAnash

Made Tuesday, 9 of March , 2010 at 2:57 am

sorry but didnt the nazis invented the jet engines AND developped the rocket tech AND invented stealth tech?isnt because of em we have all these now? even the A-Bomb was developped by germans.Both US and Russia during cold war tried to take whatever they could from the debris of a destroyed country. Difference is that the Russians developped even further while US produced more. What Russia lost in territories after the wall collapsed, it gained in internal control. They aare far more innovative than their counterparts in US mostly because they care about efficiency when in USA ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY….
Btw
Comment by B

Made Friday, 19 of December , 2008 at 8:37 am

if u wanna be called macedonian u should learn greek. Alexander as far as i know was speaking greek not slav. Think abit ur politics are trying to find a way through to medditerrenean sea. Thats what all about.

Thanx guyz for ur time

Comment by Matt

Made Sunday, 6 of June , 2010 at 7:14 pm

The U.S. has wonderful software and advanced materials (better composites and higher quality steels).

But Russia has always had better engineered planes. Takes one look at a Mig-29 or Su-27, with barely any avionics computing power, compared to a hyper-computerized F-22 to see what I mean.. these are 1980′s airplanes that can outperform even a JSF, by a huge margin, with less electronics and avionics. Aircraft like the F-22 depend on their thrust vectoring and software to do even a basic cobra maneuver.. but that’s just a crutch. As usual they’re going to pimp-out their designs instead of refine them, and you’re going to have 30 year old airplanes shooting these overcomplicated 100+ million dollar machines. (can anyone say Kosovo? Vietnam? etc?)

Its just pathetic…

Comment by sri

Made Sunday, 20 of June , 2010 at 6:31 pm

the americans copy and paste everything.their reverse engineering is second only 2 china.do you even know that a russian gave the mathematical principle was a russian.your lead man in the space program was von braun a captured german.so quit showing off about your greatness and give people the credit and praise for research being done at a small fraction of the money being given to others.then people will respect you.

Comment by Grafton

Made Tuesday, 6 of July , 2010 at 10:44 am

@Gorky: see ‘nam and Korea kill ratios below (under @matt). the F-4 was considered by US pilots an inferior plane to the MiG-21s it fought. Many F-4 Phantom pilots say if they were flying Mig-21s and the enemy pilots were in the F-4 Phantoms, F-4s would have littered the countryside.

@SatAnash: Efficiency is the cost-effectiveness of the product. this means that if the US is concerned about $$$ and russia isn’t, then only the US is concerned about efficiency. the russian policy is commonality and massive waves of inefficient forces. Stalin stated it well, “Quantity has a quality all of its own”

@Matt: A Pugachev Cobra is a high-stress, high-drag maneuver that can only be safely carried out by the most maneuverable of planes. It is also purely an air-show maneuver, and there are no recorded incidents of the cobra being used during a dogfight. ever. this is because it kills all energy and leaves the plane a sitting duck for even the least experienced B-17 pilot. if you were familiar with aviation, you would never mention the maneuver in a serious discussion. In Korea, Sabre pilots achieved a ~10-1 kill ratio, when there were never more than 150 Sabres in theater throughout the war compared to 600 MiG-15s (half of which are russian-piloted, the other half are chinese/vietnamese piloted. And this was over enemy territory, where there existed only enemy ground facilities (radar and SAM), AND where communist pilots had to just fly a few minutes north over the Yalu river and land if in trouble, while US pilots had a long flight of hundreds of miles south with MiGs on their tail as long as fuel and ammo premitted before they were over allied ground. In Vietnam, while initially poor, F-4 pilots achieved a 13-1 kill ratio, and later in the war, even a 22-1 ratio. I don’t think mentioning those wars helps the pro-ruskie arguement.

@sri: first of all, use proper capitilization. much easier to read. Second, Russia was the reverse-engineering guru during the cold war. Even the russian Tu-4 was a carbon copy of the B-29s, which russia obtained for interceptor trials of the MiG-15.

Comment by Robert

Made Friday, 9 of July , 2010 at 11:23 pm

Russia has never given it’s most advanced military designs to anyone. The US and Russia for the most part are near equal in advanced military hardware design – both have some advanced desgins that the other doesn’t. The final test will be a war with Russia and it is coming soon. Russia is building a massive modern military force in all areas. Russia is the worlds leading producer of oil and gas and those money’s are now being put into an enormous and secretive military. The West has a problem of not seeing what is coming. The street fighter bully (USA) does not realize that the kid it has been picking on is just about to get his black belt (Russia). Anyways – Catholic Mystics say that Russia is about to attack the West in a massive surprise attack that the West does not see coming. We win in the end they say but over 3/4 of the world dies in this coming WWIII.

Comment by froze

Made Thursday, 29 of July , 2010 at 7:15 am

Supposedly this WWIII is actually in two parts, the first is Russia sweeps through Europe as a surprise to the United Nations and the American NATO forces, but the Russians are defeated. But then later, I think 3 years, China joins up with the remnants of Russia military and does the same thing again. During these 2 attacks 3/4th of the worlds population dies…from what? Nuclear war.

Regardless if these prophecies come to past, the sad part is that I, an American, have no problem with the Russian people. I believe that we, the common people, of these two countries could get along with one another if it weren’t for the rulers of our countries who are very corrupt. I visited Moscow back in the early 90′s and had a great time, I found the people there to be very warm and curious about Americans as I was of them; I never had an unpleasant conversation with any Russian while I was there.

I believe the biggest threat to world peace is not Russia or the USA, but oil! Sometime, someone will attack another nation for oil, and the fastest growing economy with the fastest growing need for oil in the world is China. I believe it will be China that does all the surprising, and I believe that Russia will be deceived by the Chinese and go along with an attack to secure the oil; in other words China will use Russia for their own gain, and when Russia is no longer needed China will destroy Russia. Russian history will repeat itself just as it did in WWII after Germany broke their pack with Russia, and in the end Russia lost an estimated 21 million people in that war. China believes that it is their time to be the number 1 world power, and their on a fast track to accomplish that goal; they still need more time to build up a military that can take on the USA, but when it feels ready it will strike with Russia beside them. The USA has no powerful ally, look at the lame NATO countries we have, they couldn’t muster up enough forces to help us in Iraq with Britain fielding the most at 46,000 troops and the second largest was South Korea with 3,600, the rest gave a 1,000 here a 100 here etc…gee thanks NATO. What NATO country will rush to our aid if we’re attacked? the same that rushed to our aid when Hurricane Katrina destroyed New Orleans…NONE!! With friends like we have in NATO who needs enemy’s!

I hope that if Russia sweeps through Europe that the USA just say’s to NATO: “So sorry but Academy Awards are on tonight, you’ll just have to defend yourselves!”

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Comment by Daniel

Made Wednesday, 8 of December , 2010 at 9:19 am

Hey all you Guys! Is there a good things on this? After all they are all killing machines. Its better to develop technology that is beneficial to human kind. Why not develop a tehcnology that replaces to oil energy? as it is the primary requirement of transportation. A unlimited source of energy to power lights and appliances and equipments. Why not think of a car, and jet plane flying without need of oil. I think Thats a great idea that this nations should focus on. Or better these two nations go to war so the world may know who has the best killing machines.

Comment by Lightyears Away

Made Wednesday, 8 of December , 2010 at 9:21 am

Hey all you Guys! Is there a good things on this? After all they are all killing machines. Its better to develop technology that is beneficial to human kind. Why not develop a tehcnology that replaces to oil energy? as it is the primary requirement of transportation. A unlimited source of energy to power lights and appliances and equipments. Why not think of a car, and jet plane flying without need of oil. I think Thats a great idea that this nations should focus on. Or better these two nations go to war so the world may know who has the best killing machines. ITS SAD.

Comment by Hegemon

Made Tuesday, 21 of December , 2010 at 10:15 am

Has a U.S. Navy carrier battle group ever been engaged or attacked by either nuclear submarines, and/or supersonic bombers carrying super-sonic anti-shipping missiles? No.

Yes, a CVN battle group is more than a fearsome enemy; it´s probably one of the most powerful combat formations ever assembled in the history of war.

But that does not mean it can not be defeated.

Those who think it´s impossible to attack and even sink a nuclear carrier should open their eyes just a little bit. Anything that floats on water can be sunk; all you have to do is fill it with water and it will go down.

Remember the Falklands War, where a bunch of Argentinian pilots badly mauled the Royal Navy task force with only a few exocets sinking important British ships, and damaging others. And that was something nobody did expect from the Argentinians.

The Falklands War is the last truly “significant” naval battle in history -although the Argentinians fought mainly with their air force-. It of course gets dwarfed by Naval Warfare of WWII, say, in the Pacific, where the U.S. Navy steam-rolled over the Japanese, but it is a significant example of how a branch -Air Force- of a third world country led by an incompetent and corrupt military sent the Naval Task force of a world power back home with one eye badly bruised and swollen lips.

That was the first time the Royal Navy´s capabilities were put to test in battle since World War II, and its performance was mediocre at best. Yes, in the end the Argentinians lost, but it was due to a combination of the utter stupidity corruption and incompetence of the military government and lack of support.

The U.S. Navy has never been put to serious test since WWII. Yes, it has played critical roles in Korea, Vietnam, and more recently in the Iraq-Afghanistan area…but those countries had nothing to really challenge or threat the Navy.

The day the U.S. Navy CVNs groups are engaged by the armed forces of a power, is when you will really now. And today Russia is the main heavy weight, both from below and from above: they have nuclear submarines, and their air force has The Tu-160 and Tu-22M3 supersonic bombers that are cleared to carry nuclear and conventional supersonic anti-shipping missiles. You can read articles about some truly scary supersonic cucumbers the Russians have in service in their inventory, that once launched at a target, they are nearly impossible to be stopped or destroyed.

I know: you will say but those submarines and bombers will NEVER get close enough to attack our carriers. And i ask: how do you know?

Comment by Hegemon

Made Tuesday, 21 of December , 2010 at 10:23 am

Has a U.S. Navy carrier battle group ever been engaged or attacked by either nuclear submarines, and/or supersonic bombers carrying super-sonic anti-shipping missiles? No.

How many times in history has a given weapon, defense/attack system or tactic that was presented as either “perfect”, “flawless”, or “impossible to defeat” got thrashed once it got to the battlefield, or performed way below its expectations?

In WWII, the designers of the Norden bombsight fitted to the B-17 claimed their sight “could drop bombs into pickle barrels”. Once the bombers fitted with such sight started operating it was discovered it had an “error” margin that could reach hundreds and hundreds of meters.

Yes, a CVN battle group is more than a fearsome enemy; it´s probably one of the most powerful combat formations ever assembled in the history of war.

But that does not mean it can not be defeated.

Those who think it´s impossible to attack and even sink a nuclear carrier should open their eyes just a little bit. Anything that floats on water can be sunk; all you have to do is fill it with water and it will go down.

Remember the Falklands War, where a bunch of Argentinian pilots badly mauled the Royal Navy task force with only a few exocets sinking important British ships, and damaging others. And that was something nobody did expect from the Argentinians.

The Falklands War is the last truly “significant” naval battle in history -although the Argentinians fought mainly with their air force-. It of course gets dwarfed by Naval Warfare of WWII, say, in the Pacific, where the U.S. Navy massive task forces steam-rolled over the Japanese, but it is a significant example of how a branch -Air Force- of a third world country led by an incompetent and corrupt military sent the Naval Task force of a world power back home with one eye badly bruised and swollen lips.

That was the first time the Royal Navy´s capabilities were put to test in battle since World War II, and its performance was mediocre at best. Yes, in the end the Argentinians lost, but it was due to a combination of the utter stupidity corruption and incompetence of the military government with lack of support.

The U.S. Navy has never been put to serious test since WWII. Yes, it has played critical roles in Korea, Vietnam, and more recently in the Iraq-Afghanistan area…but those countries had nothing to really challenge or threat the Navy.

The day the U.S. Navy CVNs groups are engaged by the armed forces of a POWER, is when you will really now. And today Russia is the main heavy weight, both from below and from above: they have nuclear submarines, and their air force has The Tu-160 and Tu-22M3 supersonic bombers that are cleared to carry nuclear and conventional supersonic anti-shipping missiles. You can read articles about some truly scary supersonic cucumbers the Russians have in service TODAY in their inventory, that once launched at a target, they are nearly impossible to be stopped or destroyed.

I know: you will say but those submarines and bombers will NEVER get close enough to attack our carriers. And i ask: how do you know?

Comment by sean

Made Friday, 7 of January , 2011 at 4:44 pm

its funny rally americans claim to be the first to do everything

mmmmm well the first stealth fighter was made by germany yes thats right made by hitler and if he had continued the development well he would most likely have won the second world war

anyways there was a stealth fighter the germans made that used wood and charcoal this made the radars waves be bounced off of it
this aircraft was called the horton ho 229 it was a fighter/bomber that used the flying wing design

guess where most of the german scientist went to live and work after the war thats right america

also one other thing is the atomic bomb something else the americans claim to have developed all by themselves

A man called ernest rutherford split the atom and therfore was the very first to invent the atomic bomb and he is a New Zealander like me thats right the country half the world doesnt know exsist the one everyone thinks is part of australia

well the americans caught on and must of hired him or something and made there atomic bomb the whole idea of Ernest Rutherford was to split the atom in order to made a type of atomic power not for mass destruction and now we have nukes

anyway my point is Americans stop claiming you discovered or made things you clearly did not

yes you did make the technology you have but where did you discover the idea o yeaaas you stole other countries

Comment by sean

Made Friday, 7 of January , 2011 at 4:45 pm

its funny rally americans claim to be the first to do everything

mmmmm well the first stealth fighter was made by germany yes thats right made by hitler and if he had continued the development well he would most likely have won the second world war

anyways there was a stealth fighter the germans made that used wood and charcoal this made the radars waves be bounced off of it
this aircraft was called the horton ho 229 it was a fighter/bomber that used the flying wing design

guess where most of the german scientist went to live and work after the war thats right america

also one other thing is the atomic bomb something else the americans claim to have developed all by themselves

A man called ernest rutherford split the atom and therfore was the very first to invent the atomic bomb and he is a New Zealander like me thats right the country half the world doesnt know exsist the one everyone thinks is part of australia

well the americans caught on and must of hired him or something and made there atomic bomb the whole idea of Ernest Rutherford was to split the atom in order to made a type of atomic power not for mass destruction and now we have nukes

anyway my point is Americans stop claiming you discovered or made things you clearly did not

yes you did make the technology you have but where did you discover the idea o yeaaas you stole other countries.

Comment by TotO

Made Saturday, 29 of January , 2011 at 6:25 pm

The problem i see in american defence industry is that it´s all about making money, everything has to be profitable, people are working mostly for personal achievements and benefit, and to do that the companies and their CEOs have to do a lot of PR, to convince everybody about how good their products are. Now I´m not saying that there is no marvelous tech being developped in the US,there is and probably behind what we can imagine (most of us). But on the other hand, Russian engineers have been driven, during the Cold War purely by patriotism (thanks to propaganda), people would give their entire lifes for their research and being better than the enemy. Nowadays, in the 2000´s russians a mainly driven by pride (of how the US mocked Russia in the 90´s) plus patriotism. I lived in the USSR, I know that mentality. Russia and the US are on par regarding high-tech, but on different fields. one problem russia has is its difficulty of putting into use many of its breakthroughs, but i guess that after the Usimfev book of the 60´s about stealh they learned the lesson, they keep everything secret.
Anyways both countries are very secretive,the thing is that russia can send people in laboratories in siberia, where as pretty much all of USA is well developped, so things come out a little bit easier, + whistleblowers…
excuse my spelling
regarding espionage it always existed, both countries soaked a lot of nazi research, and they have inspired themselves one from another on various occasions, but as a scientist said ´if you how your neighbour digs the earth, it doesn´t mean you won´t sweat when you´ll do it ´ ussr responded to most us military programs with one similar, but better :) but it led to a different result. and do not forget how much russian know how what absorbed into the US during the 90´s, i would say it was like a second project Paperclip. But russia/ussr had/has its own projects and they were not used for PR…
…just a personal opinion

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Comment by danish

Made Tuesday, 16 of August , 2011 at 3:45 pm

@ sean,
Rutherford split the atom he did not build the bomb. Just FYI it was a group of international scientists who fled Europe that built the bomb in New Mexico USA! Also the Horton flying wing never left the hanger…

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Comment by Ajax

Made Monday, 12 of November , 2012 at 4:08 am

Some daft people commenting here on both sides of a silly argument.
For a start, that thing about being unable to use radar onboard the plane. You just extend the radome inthe nose in front of the plassma sheath you idiot! Doh!

Then the guy who thinks a plasma is hot! Doh!

Then these Russians do come up with some clevver ideas,like the Squall cavitation torpedo, but the fact is they have squat cash to develop anything. So you end up with gigantic oversized copiesof American and European desings that use oversized primitive technology to achieve the same results by brute force. EG, Tu160 a scaled up copy of B1. This Mig is so damn obviously a copy of the Eurofighter Typhoon,but almosttwice as large because its built withcrude Russian technology. Buran….ooops, almost an exact copy of the shuttle but for the engines. Soyuz,,,yep, great, only it was originally an American design.

Oh and that torpedo…wellit sank the Kursk didnt it.

All these Russians and anti-American idiots on here saying “anything you did comrade we did it first”…areexactly like the running gag onStarTrek in which Ensign Chekov isforeversaying CharlesDickenswasa Russian, etc, yada, yada , yada.

But the American commentators are just as bad…back to the points I started with.

Anyway, Russian airplanes, flying Ladas. But even in Russian airplanes the Indian air force beats the USAF atcompetitive simulated combat exercises!

Comment by jerry

Made Monday, 14 of January , 2013 at 10:36 am

Guys , the arms bild up in Russia and USA is to cover the UFO’s problem that the planet Earth is experiencing . Trust me Russians and Americans and Chinees are BEST BODYS privatly and they do there best to protect us people of the Earth . They all trying to by time and get the extraterestial technology and protect the human race and THEY SHARE the technology and knowledge – trust me there will NOT be WW3 !!

Comment by jerry

Made Monday, 14 of January , 2013 at 10:43 am

so sleep good there will NOT be WW3 !!!

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